and if that then is the case then you get the cuts to the defense department and medicare. do i have that right? >> that is fundamentally correct. what we are looking at and what we'll see is whether or not the democrats in the senate insist that they sequester would be altered only by raising taxes and that is not going to happen. we j a $650 billion tax increase we are not going to do another one. these were cuts in law and they need to be altered. the president in his debate with governor romney said the sequester will not happen, and he's got to step up and help us work our way through that, because it does cut too much, in my opinion, the defense department. they've already had a big cut. this will be another big cut. and i think it's dangerous for the defense department and will do damage in a way that we should not do. bill: i mentioned the senate hasn't passed a bulge net four years. bya because you asked, rich writes, how can you determine how much you will need to increase the debt ceiling without a budget? how do we understand that riddle? >> that is exactly corr